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		<title>By: Planner Reads &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Media 201</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-760226</link>
		<dc:creator>Planner Reads &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Social Media 201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] guess I stepped in the big cow-pie last week when I called out the SMM Pundits for overworking the elementary level of social media discourse – “be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s never too late to join the conversation &#124; Social Media Group</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-335271</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s never too late to join the conversation &#124; Social Media Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I suspect though, that I may not be alone. There are probably a lot of people in middle and upper management who can relate because they grew up with the same values. Spare a thought for them because I&#8217;m not sure that the concepts of social networking come naturally to this generation. I can feel the frustration in the writing of people on the leading edge like David Churbuck who desperately want us to pick up the pace, but, unfortunately, I think that we may be closer to Jeremiah Owyang&#8217;s view of social media in the corporation because these attitudes are so deeply ingrained. So even though everyone involved in the social media space recognizes that the movement is irreversible, it will take time, patience and a lot of understanding before Enterprise 2.0 becomes the norm. I am thrilled at the opportunity to come along for the ride at my new job here at Social Media Group and I look forward to finally being part of the &#8220;conversation&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I suspect though, that I may not be alone. There are probably a lot of people in middle and upper management who can relate because they grew up with the same values. Spare a thought for them because I&#8217;m not sure that the concepts of social networking come naturally to this generation. I can feel the frustration in the writing of people on the leading edge like David Churbuck who desperately want us to pick up the pace, but, unfortunately, I think that we may be closer to Jeremiah Owyang&#8217;s view of social media in the corporation because these attitudes are so deeply ingrained. So even though everyone involved in the social media space recognizes that the movement is irreversible, it will take time, patience and a lot of understanding before Enterprise 2.0 becomes the norm. I am thrilled at the opportunity to come along for the ride at my new job here at Social Media Group and I look forward to finally being part of the &#8220;conversation&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vinnie mirchandani</title>
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		<dc:creator>vinnie mirchandani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, here is something positive about Southwest and in general to me just an outstanding example of what a corporate blogger can do. I wrote a pissy post on my blog about Southwest - see URL below. 


http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2008/02/process-angio-1.html

Paula Berg who blogs for SW happened to read it, reached out to me, then reached to her customer relations and I just got a 4 page response to my complaint letter. Not all of it makes me happy but the rep must have taken hours to research my customer track record and the issues I had raised. 

One of my issues in my letter was they had taken away my joy of turning on my GPS and tracking our flight on my laptop. I wrote the letter in late Dec. This week the SW magazine showed the policy reversed and they allow it again. Since the mag was probably finalized in mid Feb, they moved quickly. (in fairness, others probably complained also about the GPS issue so my letter was not the only driver)

I thought I would share this positive impact of blog story ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, here is something positive about Southwest and in general to me just an outstanding example of what a corporate blogger can do. I wrote a pissy post on my blog about Southwest &#8211; see URL below. </p>
<p><a href="http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2008/02/process-angio-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2008/02/process-angio-1.html</a></p>
<p>Paula Berg who blogs for SW happened to read it, reached out to me, then reached to her customer relations and I just got a 4 page response to my complaint letter. Not all of it makes me happy but the rep must have taken hours to research my customer track record and the issues I had raised. </p>
<p>One of my issues in my letter was they had taken away my joy of turning on my GPS and tracking our flight on my laptop. I wrote the letter in late Dec. This week the SW magazine showed the policy reversed and they allow it again. Since the mag was probably finalized in mid Feb, they moved quickly. (in fairness, others probably complained also about the GPS issue so my letter was not the only driver)</p>
<p>I thought I would share this positive impact of blog story &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media 201 at Churbuck.com</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-304962</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media 201 at Churbuck.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 15:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I guess I stepped in the big cow-pie last week when I called out the SMM Pundits for overworking the elementary level of social media discourse â€“ &#8220;be authentic!&#8221; &#8220;be transparent!&#8221; &#8220;it&#8217;s a conversation!&#8221; â€“ as 101 Thumbsuckers. Now I am officially Mister SmartyPants 201 and feel compelled to play the part of know-it-all weenie. I guest blogged on a sample &#8220;201&#8243; topic for Jeremiah Owyang at Forrester on how to avoid blowing a corporate policy through a private action. I also threatened to give Jeremiah a list of example topics I want to see more discussion on. Here we go. In the Kawasakian Tradition of Blog Lists: here are ten random things that I don&#8217;t see a lot of discussion about: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I guess I stepped in the big cow-pie last week when I called out the SMM Pundits for overworking the elementary level of social media discourse â€“ &#8220;be authentic!&#8221; &#8220;be transparent!&#8221; &#8220;it&#8217;s a conversation!&#8221; â€“ as 101 Thumbsuckers. Now I am officially Mister SmartyPants 201 and feel compelled to play the part of know-it-all weenie. I guest blogged on a sample &#8220;201&#8243; topic for Jeremiah Owyang at Forrester on how to avoid blowing a corporate policy through a private action. I also threatened to give Jeremiah a list of example topics I want to see more discussion on. Here we go. In the Kawasakian Tradition of Blog Lists: here are ten random things that I don&#8217;t see a lot of discussion about: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tecosystems &#187; links for 2008-03-01</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-303569</link>
		<dc:creator>tecosystems &#187; links for 2008-03-01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stating the obvious at Churbuck.com i agree. though it depends, of course, on context, these are not impossible questions. interesting discussion too. not entirely sure how Churbuck became Chuck, though. (tags: davidchurbuck dialogue enterprise listening feedback) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stating the obvious at Churbuck.com i agree. though it depends, of course, on context, these are not impossible questions. interesting discussion too. not entirely sure how Churbuck became Chuck, though. (tags: davidchurbuck dialogue enterprise listening feedback) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I rather enjoyed reading the exchanges here in your comments. &quot;Dah-Veed&quot; indeed.  This was like watching really smart people do a three stooges bit with all the nose pulling and eye poking, and a healthy dose of the nyuck-nyuck-nyucking.  Thanks!

I think Jennifer was right that this whole exchange was a textbook example of the dance of the blogosphere.  

Perhaps we get too tangled up in what it means to be a practioner or &quot;down in the trenches&quot;.  To my mind this is a lot like scientists debating whether colleagues working in applied roles have turned their backs on pure research of the field, or whether those working only on the theory have their heads pointlessly in clouds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I rather enjoyed reading the exchanges here in your comments. &#8220;Dah-Veed&#8221; indeed.  This was like watching really smart people do a three stooges bit with all the nose pulling and eye poking, and a healthy dose of the nyuck-nyuck-nyucking.  Thanks!</p>
<p>I think Jennifer was right that this whole exchange was a textbook example of the dance of the blogosphere.  </p>
<p>Perhaps we get too tangled up in what it means to be a practioner or &#8220;down in the trenches&#8221;.  To my mind this is a lot like scientists debating whether colleagues working in applied roles have turned their backs on pure research of the field, or whether those working only on the theory have their heads pointlessly in clouds.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O'Regan</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-302381</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob O'Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck-san - great post. Like it or not, you and your techie brethren ARE ahead of the curve when it comes to corporate blogging. One of my clients keep asking, &quot;who&#039;s going to moderate [read: censor] our blog comments?&quot; Will be interested hearing whether you get the in-the-trenches help you&#039;re looking for from the Blog Council ... or whether you&#039;ll be educating the rest of the members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck-san &#8211; great post. Like it or not, you and your techie brethren ARE ahead of the curve when it comes to corporate blogging. One of my clients keep asking, &#8220;who&#8217;s going to moderate [read: censor] our blog comments?&#8221; Will be interested hearing whether you get the in-the-trenches help you&#8217;re looking for from the Blog Council &#8230; or whether you&#8217;ll be educating the rest of the members.</p>
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		<title>By: David N</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-302278</link>
		<dc:creator>David N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow great prose and because I am enjoying lunch with my almost to be 3 year old, not pictured, that is my 1 year old.  Prose in Wiki states &quot;The word prose comes from the Latin prosa, meaning straightforward, hence the term &quot;prosaic,&quot; which is often seen as pejorative.&quot; 


I was also able to share other parts of the article with Ella. Like where I told her how even adults still count to 3!  

Always time spent well here David.


Thanks for letting us just enjoy it.

-David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow great prose and because I am enjoying lunch with my almost to be 3 year old, not pictured, that is my 1 year old.  Prose in Wiki states &#8220;The word prose comes from the Latin prosa, meaning straightforward, hence the term &#8220;prosaic,&#8221; which is often seen as pejorative.&#8221; </p>
<p>I was also able to share other parts of the article with Ella. Like where I told her how even adults still count to 3!  </p>
<p>Always time spent well here David.</p>
<p>Thanks for letting us just enjoy it.</p>
<p>-David</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Valid point, and I do agree with you.  However, from the consumers perspective there is no difference between wanting feedback and acting on feedback.  The assumption is that if a company is going to ask for info, that they are then going to do something with it.  If you don&#039;t act then don&#039;t ask.  

As one of the leaders of a large corporation, how do you deal with corporate social media/interactive marketing/comments from readers/etc?  How restricted are you by corporate policy?  


I&#039;d love to create a list of a few (interview-like) questions for you (if you be so kind as to answer them) and then post the questions along with your responses on my blog.

In fact I would love to ask the same set of questions to a couple corporate leaders and then see how the answers vary.  I would love to work with you to create a set of the &quot;hairy&quot; questions that nobody talks about or is willing to answer.  

What say you?

Love the analogy of the Potemkin villages (parents are from Russia).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Valid point, and I do agree with you.  However, from the consumers perspective there is no difference between wanting feedback and acting on feedback.  The assumption is that if a company is going to ask for info, that they are then going to do something with it.  If you don&#8217;t act then don&#8217;t ask.  </p>
<p>As one of the leaders of a large corporation, how do you deal with corporate social media/interactive marketing/comments from readers/etc?  How restricted are you by corporate policy?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to create a list of a few (interview-like) questions for you (if you be so kind as to answer them) and then post the questions along with your responses on my blog.</p>
<p>In fact I would love to ask the same set of questions to a couple corporate leaders and then see how the answers vary.  I would love to work with you to create a set of the &#8220;hairy&#8221; questions that nobody talks about or is willing to answer.  </p>
<p>What say you?</p>
<p>Love the analogy of the Potemkin villages (parents are from Russia).</p>
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		<title>By: David Churbuck</title>
		<link>http://www.churbuck.com/wordpress/2008/02/stating-the-obvious/comment-page-1/#comment-302105</link>
		<dc:creator>David Churbuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob!
GoDaddy isn&#039;t giving you what you want, no because they won&#039;t accept your feedback, but because they won&#039;t do anything with it.

There is a huge distinction between the hollow promise of &quot;tell us what you think&quot; and &quot;you asked, we listened, and we changed.&quot;

This, I will assume based on my own experience, is the hardest part of being on the front lines of a corporate social media marketing/corporate blog/online customer satisfaction initiative: it&#039;s easy to listen. Anyone can build an online suggestion engine. Anyone can build one of them there communities -- but will it change the corporate returns policy? Extend your warranty? Put the knobs on the otherside of the dingbat?

Too many companies are erecting Potemkin villages for &quot;feedback&quot; and &quot;conversations&quot; that go no where. Like erecting suggestion boxes on top of trash cans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob!<br />
GoDaddy isn&#8217;t giving you what you want, no because they won&#8217;t accept your feedback, but because they won&#8217;t do anything with it.</p>
<p>There is a huge distinction between the hollow promise of &#8220;tell us what you think&#8221; and &#8220;you asked, we listened, and we changed.&#8221;</p>
<p>This, I will assume based on my own experience, is the hardest part of being on the front lines of a corporate social media marketing/corporate blog/online customer satisfaction initiative: it&#8217;s easy to listen. Anyone can build an online suggestion engine. Anyone can build one of them there communities &#8212; but will it change the corporate returns policy? Extend your warranty? Put the knobs on the otherside of the dingbat?</p>
<p>Too many companies are erecting Potemkin villages for &#8220;feedback&#8221; and &#8220;conversations&#8221; that go no where. Like erecting suggestion boxes on top of trash cans.</p>
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